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curious Hello folks. Your friendly owner of TA here asking for your input on the oekaki! Basically I want to hear from you all your opinions on it and how things are going, and any suggestions you may have for it, and I'll try to address them here. You may comment on this anonymously if you wish, but I'll probably take it more seriously if you use your LJ account or at least leave your name if you need to post anonymously. I like to know who's bringing ideas and issues to the table, and also that it's not the same person repeatedly asking the same thing. Either way I'll try to address everyone.
First a FAQ in anticipation of some of the comments:
Q: Why are some of the admins so mean? :(
A: The admins aren't mean when they delete your pictures, it's called enforcing the rules. The TA Oekaki has a specific Sonic/Furry theme to it and that's the type of art that it exists for. There are many other oekakis out there with less restrictions that you can do anime art on, and non-anthro animals, etc. TA is for Sonic and Furry (Any kind of anthro animal) art. If you didn't want to draw that kind of stuff, you shouldn't be there in the first place o.O As for the attitude of certain admins, I've talked to them in the past and told them to be more polite and level headed when dealing with users, but some of you seem to just try to instigate and get reactions out of them. And then you complain? Seriously though, don't act stupid and there won't be any problems.
Q: Why was my picture deleted?
A: Admins should include a reason for deleting a picture when they delete it. Up until now this wasn't done on the practice board, but I've told all the admins that now a reason for deleting a picture must be given every time. If you have any questions beyond the reason given as to why your picture was deleted, then contact the admin who deleted it for more information.
Q: Why is the practice board so spammy?
A: The practice board was originally created as a place to experiment with the oekaki tools and try new things. It's not meant as a board to do any kind of serious work on. If you do draw something with considerable effort on the practice board, you CAN ask an admin to take it and upload it to the normal board for you. Some people do draw quick silly things on the practice board and it gets spammed up a bit, but as the practice board isn't intended for stuff to be showcased on, I don't consider it an issue. Of course the Sonic/Furry & non-adult rules still apply to it even so.
Q: Why do the themes on the theme board suck?
I've heard rumblings about some people complaining about the themes on the theme board. Well, so far it's been up to the admins to come up with themes, because no one has been suggesting any! If you don't like the themes we're coming up with, then please o-mail either myself, or Bakasam, or Fiz with your theme suggestion.
Q. Why was I kicked out of the Adult Board? I'm legal in my country!
A: The Adult Board is 18+ and has always been 18+. The site is based in America, where the legal age restriction for pornography is 18 years old. Anyone under the age of 18 drawing on that part of the Oekaki can cause legal trouble for the admins and the site's owner.
That should get a few things out of the way that I could think of off the top of my head. Now discuss!
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August 26 2007, 23:04:05 UTC 4 years ago
I can't really say much on how things are going -- I'm trying to avoid coming here. Personal reasons against some people, moral reasons against some people, etc etc. But that's not what this is exactly for.
However, from what I've heard from people, It's the same-old same-old; Drama.
I think, however, that the rules either need to be edited, or explained better, or something. I heard a few months past that they were going to, but, from what I see they haven't been touched. I don't know if it's because people are busy, lazy, or just haven't got around to it yet?
*shrug*
I think you should explain somewhere the limits of Anthro characters. You say here that it needs to be anthro animals, on there it says "Furry." People may think that it's Anthro in general, when it isn't. etc etc.
I think also that you need to elaborate on the difference between Adult and Artistic nudity. I remember talking to Fix about this, I think. I enjoy artistically nude images, but I'm afraid of how users will react, and if that was just her personal opinion of what the limit is. I know the rule says R needs to be adulted, and NC-17 on Adult board, but it doesn't really explain what you all think the limits are for artistic nudity.
*shrug*
I think, also, that somewhere you should say that the Admins aren't exactly asses (All the time, at least. As said on the Chat last night -- they have bad days as well) and that it may just be a personal thing that you don't like them. I, for instance, don't exactly like how they act, but I wont really go on and complain and bitch about it. I did once, yes, but I deleted the image/rant soon after as it was going to start drama, etc etc.
At least, hopefully, that will stop people from bitching *quiet as much*
August 26 2007, 23:31:38 UTC 4 years ago
As for editing the rules, I'd certainly like to figure out a better way of presenting them. I'm afraid having rules that are too long will cause people to not even bother to read them (I think some people already don't read them) and might cause people to complain about too many rules, as I think has already happened as well even. But on the other hand, in a community with thousands of users, rules do need to be explicitly spelled out because there's always the people who just don't get it. In the future I'll try to put together some kind of consolidated rules page so it's not so much text at the top of each board.
But as for the distinction between furry and anthro animals, to me they are one and the same. In my definition of the word, any anthro animal, be it a lizard or a fish or a dragon, or a squirrel, I personally use the word "furry" to encompass all animals anthrofied as a general term. I know there was some debate about this a while back and a bit of drama ensued, so I think I will need to make that clarification. Basically if you give me one animal that doesn't have fur on its own I'd say yeah, maybe a scalie. But talking about the whole range of animals I'd say "furries."
I suppose for the distinction between adult and artistic nudity, anything that includes details below the waist and/or depiction of a sexual situation should be on the adult board. Anything that includes nudity otherwise in a non-sexual manner I suppose could be left on the other boards, however would be required to be marked as 18+ on those boards. I'll think of how to word this distinction for the rules.
As for admins being asses, well a lot of people just think if someone doesn't let them do whatever they want, the person putting a stop to their fun is an ass. Even if they're the one out of line. It can't be avoided. What's sad is when they spread lies to get other people to hate the admins when the admins have never even done anything to them and the original person just blew things out of proportion. This is what I see more often than not.
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August 27 2007, 02:57:43 UTC 4 years ago
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This is Nobody404, and I'd just like to add what I think.I've looked at how the general community and mods act towards me and everybody else. Admins DO act differently toward users they like more. I can watch how a mod acts crappy towards one user, who's doing nothing wrong, while another user can be blatantly flaming and harassing other users, and they get supported.
A good example is when there was a user who went by the name of "RMC".
If you've visited the Practice Board before he finally got banned, it wouldn't take long to see what I'm talking about. He would post comments like "Your art is shit. It's ok, continue posting shitty art", accompanying it with images mocking and flaming users, but the mods would do nothing. They would support him, and often join him in the harassment.
After all this, I say on his birthday, "I may not like you much, but Happy Birthday." I get a responce from an admin saying that I sounded Cruddy and should apologize.
Although that was an extremly long time ago, things haven't changed one bit. I see this all the time, and It's really getting on my nerves.
August 27 2007, 03:10:52 UTC 4 years ago
Re: ...
Actually, RMC was warned in private several times to knock it off. I know I warned him at least three times before I banned him for being a troll. Three strikes, your out. I'm fairly sure one of the other admins warned him as well, but I won't speak for them.As far as I recall, no one joined RMC with his trolling. I'm not sure who would even join him anyways, he's irritating and not funny.
He also made other accounts to try to troll, but we caught those and banned them.
And I don't know who gave you that response about the Birthday thing, so I can't exactly respond on that.
Not sure what else to tell you, except that if this was bothering you back then, you should have contacted an admin. It doesn't do much good to keep quiet about it so long.
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August 27 2007, 03:22:41 UTC 4 years ago
The upside is that it is more flexible and people can use their own IRC client to connect to it. It also gives the channel a better use since I heard it was pretty dead anyways. XD
Another suggestion would be to place a rule against harassment directed at the admins over a decision they have made in the oekaki. The admins do more than pull their weight devoting some of their time to keeping the oekaki in order, the deserve much more than the show of ingratitude from some of the kids with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement. Point out that if they have any disagreement or a suggestion, they should take it to notes and explain their potion rationally instead of dragging it out in the open.
August 27 2007, 04:30:34 UTC 4 years ago
1) Kids these days (And most of the oekaki is kids) have never used IRC and only know the made-easy-to-use IM programs and chats. While it would be easy to drop people into the chat room with the applet, from that point, they would need to actually learn a thing or two, such as registering their nick and remembering to identify in the future (see the 2nd point). You and I know that's ridiculously easy, but for someone who doesn't know and seeing that it requires text based commands, that seems like pretty complex stuff to today's youth who have point and click interfaces.
2) On the oekaki chat, everyone has their oekaki user name. If it were IRC, people would be able to put in any name they want, and could imitate other users. Registering nicks could fix this, but some won't know how to register their nick, or won't bother. Others may have their name registered by someone else before they can register it. And that's not something I'd be able to do anything about.
I was using IRC in the mid-90's so of course IRC is my preferred option when it comes to "chat rooms". No AIM, Yahoo, or web based option can compare to the features and control (and logging!) you get with IRC chat. It seems a no-brainer to us, but it's difficult to get people to switch from something they're used to that just works, to something new that they'll have to learn something about, even if it is better. But it is still something that crosses my mind from time to time, I'm just not sure if I'll ever go about doing it, or how exactly.
As for the not harassing admins, well I'd think this would be common sense, along with the no flaming/harassment in general rule, but I guess I underestimate peoples' idiocy sometimes. I don't think it should need to be said. If someone does need to be told not to be stupid like that, well then having that listed as a rule probably wouldn't deter them in the first place. In the end, all we can do is try to keep the peace as best we can while enforcing the rules (Which, if people didn't like, I don't know why they joined in the first place. True, rules have changed slightly, but only for further clarification of my original intentions).
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August 27 2007, 23:20:54 UTC 4 years ago
:o
THAT BOARD NEEDS MOAR PARTYZ.Oh on a more professional claim, When are you going to put up the banner from the contest held almost a year ago? I know Kiwi is busy, but arent there other admins?
August 27 2007, 23:31:35 UTC 4 years ago
Re: :o
Are you talking about the mascot contest? Because there's a banner on the mainpage for teamartail (the site itself) with the winning picture on it.Kiwi was planning to do something else with some of the other contest pictures, like a rotating image next to the rules list. But I don't know what happened with that. It was her contest so I'm not getting involved, lol.
Unless you're talking about some other contest, then nvm
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The Oekaki
I strongly think that the Oekaki should have less rules, To be honest it's not gonna make someone want to join with all those rules.August 30 2007, 17:25:01 UTC 4 years ago
Re: The Oekaki
I hope you mean consolidated into less sentences that convey the same messages. I don't see anything in the rules that could be possibly hard to follow.4 years ago
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August 30 2007, 21:52:51 UTC 4 years ago
o lol this is Mysta
made the suggestion for an intermediate or high-intermediate board a year or so ago, and most ppl said the whole bandwidth thing and on to complaints, etc.however, it's good for an oekaki board to have standards such as that. if you want more skilled members to join then, yes, it's a great idea. I think that's perhaps one of the reasons some ppl left. I know it's why I did.
August 31 2007, 10:45:06 UTC 4 years ago
Re: o lol this is Mysta
Who decides who is "good enough" to draw on the intermediate/pro/advanced (call it what you will) board, though? I mean with some people it's pretty obvious. But eventually it's going to come down to so and so's friend not being allowed to draw on it and so they're gonna bitch and moan and it'll be a pretty common occurance. I'm all for getting the really skilled and talented artists to come back, but those same people are going to complain again when their friends can't draw on their special advanced board.That doesn't even touch on the topic of why person X is allowed to draw there when person Y doesn't think they're good enough. Oi.
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September 2 2007, 19:49:08 UTC 4 years ago
My personal rundown
The oekaki seems to be a place for Sonic/furry artists to go hangout and score "popularity points", which is mainly done through trying to "become friends" with popular artists and get into such rings of artists. Without really well-known artists, or skilled artists with the potential of being well-known, drawing at the board, the board has lost most of its purpose. While, yes, getting such artists to draw at the oekaki will most likely draw users back to the board, is this system of status building something that should be supported? Sadly, I can't really think of any alternative ways of giving the oekaki more life.!cynical bitch
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September 3 2007, 02:32:48 UTC 4 years ago
Blah
The board is rather dead isn't it.Anonymous
September 3 2007, 05:06:00 UTC 4 years ago
Re: Blah
Yeah, pretty much. (I thought that was just how it seemed to me) But I think it'll be a cold day in hell before the TA Oekaki Board is completely dead.!cynical bitch
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September 3 2007, 19:05:45 UTC 4 years ago
okey
first of all, no need to bitch about this post, if you dont agree on this , dont even care spamming it1. If an advanced board is so dramacausing , why doesnt other boards have the drama? the spamming? the complaining? and no the amount of people doesnt have anything to do with it, If such board is made , i dont really think skilled artists would complain cause they whant their friends to be there, a skilled artist should be able to see the differense, and you still cant say stuff before they are tried
2. Admins sure are people but they still have a responsibility to keep the comunity as one, theres alot of oekakis in the world and none has the same admin drama ad TA , they follow the rules ect ect but people doesnt hate them, So there has to be something TA got that others dont
3. skilled or not skilled artists, A oekaki should have limits for em all, both advanced and new kakies , You cant block out the good ones because of people less good, then there would be no comunity, Everyone should have a right to draw at their limit
4. Flamers. on the net you will always find flamers,spammers and people that just have the urge to be mean , this is just like in real life, noone asked you to stay on the oekaki, if you cant handle this the net is not for you, Still theres been some episodes on TA were its taken a loong time before someone even bothered to care about some, and yeah a person acts different towards a friend and a person they dont really like, thats the way a human acts.
This is some of the themes on my mind and i dont whant to hear any homg thats so stupid, cause its not, if someone whant to reply , do it in a mature way ,
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Re: okey
itt we make no senseAnonymous
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September 4 2007, 22:59:14 UTC 4 years ago
Sure there are people coming back, but that doesnt make them active, and a board is only decent with active members, when one decent artist leaves, so does their groupies, making the board smaller and smaller.
The board pretty much died after the banning of ayalam, I dont draw or comment anymore, though I do come around every now and then to see if its risen from the dead, which it hasnt.
Its a shame.
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September 5 2007, 17:46:13 UTC 4 years ago
Yeah, that was when the board was just brimming with activity. There's just no inspiration to draw or comment on the board anymore. (Pleas excuse my bluntness) No popular artists to aspire to be great and popular like, no good art to comment on and give you any good ideas, no lots of people to try and impress with your art and give nice comments to so they like you and comment back, no nothing.
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September 5 2007, 21:22:16 UTC 4 years ago
banner ads
I had more of a question; about the ads. Is there any way to choose what kind to have on the site? I mean, its rather.. oh I don't know what word to use. Maybe discrimanating? Raunchy? No idea. ;>_> Anyhoo, I like skin just as much as the next person, but jeez I don't think those kind of ads should be there. I mean, younger kids go on to draw on the pages too right? What if their parents walked by and their jaw dropped when/if they saw an ad? Hm.. Well, just curious if we could see more of those car and toy swords instead of women laying there striking a pose. Wouldn't be as awkward as much, I think. :3;Anonymous
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Re: banner ads
I had brought this up to the admins once before as well, and I was simply told to use an ad blocker. That's kind of a shitty reply; Its supposed to be a family friendly site, so accommodate to your audience =\4 years ago
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September 6 2007, 02:15:49 UTC 4 years ago
Krystel K from TA (I don't have an account. BOO.)
The only thing I can think of is that, like, it'd be nice to have bigger canvas sizes. I draw as small as I can, but it's still big, and I feel I don't draw as much because I consider the canvas size a little limiting.Other than that, that's all.
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September 7 2007, 12:08:26 UTC 4 years ago
-Howard.
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September 14 2007, 03:58:15 UTC 4 years ago
:)
You admins dont get enough thanks for doing what you do.So thank you for keeping us in order.
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October 18 2007, 14:16:55 UTC 4 years ago
Suggestion
Hi. This is BlueBead from Team Artail here.I was just thinking... When pictures are under-timed in the normal board, instead of deleting them, why not move them to the practice board? That way the artist that made them has a chance to save their art to their computer if they really liked it, and other people could still see it for awhile before it's deleted for good.
I just thought about this while thinking about the pic I lost due to the fact that it was under-timed.
I just thought that that moving the under-timed pictures would be nicer than plain out deleting them.
Just a suggestion. ;)
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Re: Suggestion
It's a nice idea but one that would probably be taken advantage of. I can imagine the normal board being purposely spammed with undertimed images, simply because members would know we'd have to move them. Potentially too time consuming from my point of view.For saving the best thing to do, if you like what you've drawn, is to save it just after you've finished. If the picture has broken a rule and they didn't get a chance to save it then its just tough luck.
Also in my opinion half an hour is not a long time to put into a picture. If a user doesn't have time to finish off a drawing they can mark it as a work in progress. If a user knows they have a habit of drawing undertimed pictures then they should either keep an eye on a clock or move to the practice board, until they feel confident that they can put the time in.
There is of course the odd exception for one or two minutes under the limit, depending on how much effort has been put in.
Finally, on the topic of moving pictures from board to board. The only time I really move pictures is if 1) someone has put a lot of effort into a picture on the PB and they want it moved or 2) If someone accidently drew something for the Theme Board on the Normal Board or vice versa.
Sorry to soap-box but your post brought up some things I've been thinking about recently.
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December 5 2007, 23:56:29 UTC 4 years ago
Opinions
If things like "Pokemon" and "Hamtaro" can be labeled as unwanted, what steps does one go through to have other concepts, that can actually be rather disturbing, offending and even scary, added to not be drawn? One feels like they can not actually post their opinions due to the ensuing taboo of "drama" and then banned for creating a disturbance because of a disturbance.Anonymous
December 7 2007, 01:03:45 UTC 4 years ago
Re: Opinions
Right, this is Pert, aka SaggyMay, King of the "Reptiles Aren't Furries" debate. And now I'm complaining about a recent drawing by Crossfire on the Adult board.Disco, give me 20 ugly Reptile drawings instead of a bleeding woman full of nails. ;)
I did not give my name at first because I don't like the admin Bakasam and Fiz's avatar's often scare me. :)
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January 9 2008, 04:32:38 UTC 4 years ago
Suggestion! 8D
I... read about the rules and how people don't read them.I can't agree more, it's so frustrating. D: Perhaps write down a simplified form of the rule, such as:
Time limit = 30 minutes minimum
And then perhaps have it linked to a more detailed description of it? I don't know.. e_e I also have an oekaki and it is oh so hard so I understand, especially when there are people who join in without even glancing at them, so I made the general part bold and the description a smaller and darker font (the background's black heheh) so that the general part is more apparent....
ANYWAY that's just a suggestion. ^^;; I understand why people wonder why some oekakis have advanced boards and whatnot without the spam and such, but that's because there's sooo many admins, while here there are what, three that are active?
I'm not saying that oohh get more admins, I'm just saying that yeah, you guys need some slack. xD;; But I do must say it must be hard, having to look at all three boards all the tiiime~
Ermmm... yeaaaah. It's tooo bad you can't make a test where before they join, they have to answer a bunch of questions to make sure they read the rules...? LIKE ONE OF THOSE QUIZ THINGS. And and yeah.. that'll be more reliable, no? Then, when the person disobeys the rule, they can get yelled at even more. >D
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July 19 2008, 06:33:34 UTC 3 years ago
Comment on Sugustion
Hi Its me Lumine, I have a great idea, maybe. Lets do a Theme of Super Fro!!! That would be neat to see.Anonymous
July 20 2008, 02:11:51 UTC 3 years ago
Investigate users
Please investigate Frisky-fire & Dirty for breaking the rules. They are gently skimming the borderlines and harassing users while hiding behind the idea of "Critiquing" while it's really mostly hateful comments and flaming.-Pert
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September 16 2008, 20:37:34 UTC 3 years ago
Re: Investigate users
I totally agreeAnonymous
October 19 2008, 15:06:11 UTC 3 years ago
all this flaming and bashing is really going to far some times
also , most of the users can't make the diffrence between critiks
and bashing , sich is kinda sad , critiks are suppsed to help , no?
but some people are just beeing mean and then saying that they only made a critik.
secnd reasn for the board going down is cause all those awsome artist who were
there some time ago, are gone . That´s kinda sad.
Now that the good pics are gone , the board is filling up with crappy or unfinished pic.No one is putting effort into their pics anymore
if the users would draw better pics , maybe the old , good artists would come back
Anonymous
February 10 2009, 00:23:07 UTC 3 years ago
Suggestion?
RedQueenAi from TAUm... maybe because I'm sad and pathetic and like using larger canvases...
something bigger than 500x500?
Does that have something to do with bandwidth or...?
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May 22 2009, 15:28:24 UTC 3 years ago
and i agree, the adult board is totally pointless now. if i were artie, i would get rid of the adult and theme boards and instead use themes as a sort of monthly contest on the general board...not that many people even post THERE anymore.
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